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Post by dialup2001 on Sept 27, 2014 8:18:55 GMT 1
The lost screw vortex, I know it well. I like hoovering the rust out of the corners of the boot, the inside of the wheel arch on my Marina, good source of screws left in the hoover bucket!
My question is why is the A10 Violet badged as a 510 over there when you 510 is a Bluebird isn't it?
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Post by jdm411 on Sept 28, 2014 0:07:11 GMT 1
As for proper pre Nissan Datsuns, then as far as i'm aware there is only one in the UK. and thats in the Beaulieu museum. All other "Datsun" badged cars ARE Nissans, not pre Nissan  me no comprende Al,
or in English (sorry, I mean in Essix),..............You what ?
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Post by datman on Sept 28, 2014 13:25:15 GMT 1
The green car  is a Laurel C130 coupe. There's only one known to be in the UK (there was another but its whereabouts is currently unknown) I have a sedan version which is also a good looking car, but also rare (around 7 or 8 in UK) |
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Post by dialup2001 on Sept 28, 2014 22:13:30 GMT 1
So Al, you are saying that ALL Datsun are actually Nissans, apart from one?
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Post by randywanger on Sept 29, 2014 9:43:10 GMT 1
Wrong thread. EDIT
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Post by jdm411 on Sept 29, 2014 21:34:35 GMT 1
The green car is a Laurel C130 coupe. There's only one known to be in the UK (there was another but its whereabouts is currently unknown) I have a sedan version which is also a good looking car, but also rare (around 7 or 8 in UK) Do we know who owns it ? |
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Post by bananahamuck on Sept 30, 2014 0:51:29 GMT 1
So Al, you are saying that ALL Datsun are actually Nissans, apart from one? I'm not that up on Nissan history,,, but that's what i was trying to say in the picture i posted. My question is why is the A10 Violet badged as a 510 over there when you 510 is a Bluebird isn't it? i don't believe we had any Datsuns labeled as bluebirds,, most call the 411 a bluebird but i haven't personally seen one with that on it.. Except those imported Japan domestic model.. Or other places,, such as where you guys are. |
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Post by bananahamuck on Oct 1, 2014 0:20:33 GMT 1
So i was arguing with my neighbor and he mentioned that we did get a Bluebird,,, 1959-1963(?) it was labeled as a 312 but he seems to think it had Bluebird emblems on it.... Guys an idiot about most things but i think he's right about this as he can be a walking Datsun freakshow sometimes.. Pics of said model.  . |
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Post by jdm411 on Oct 3, 2014 20:14:48 GMT 1
Lovely looking classic , would have been a rare car in the 60s, if they were imported. must have been very small numbers. I think the brits were very anti foreign in the early 60s. European cars like Fiats and Alfas Renaults, etc were accepted, Volks were only just tolerated. Jap cars, im not sure ?
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Post by spottedlaurel on Oct 3, 2014 20:18:08 GMT 1
A10 was badged 510 in America to try and capitalise on the success of the original 510 (aka Bluebird or 1300/1400/1600). Successive generations of Bluebird (610 and 810) had got bigger and fancier and moved away from what the 510 did so well.
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Post by Al Ramone on Oct 3, 2014 20:40:49 GMT 1
There was never a company called 'Datsun' in Japan. The company's early lineage and bloodline is slightly complicated, but basically the DNA is from Kaishinsha Jidosha Kojo ( note: NOT spelled K waishinsha as is often mis-reported ) in 1911, merging with Jitsuyo Jidosha Seizo and changing its name to D.A.T. Jidosha Seizo, then being absorbed by Nihon Sangyo ( via Tobata Imono ) to emerge as Nissan Jidosha KK in 1933/34. D.A.T. Jidosha Seizo made cars that were badged 'Datson' and then 'Datsun', but the companies that went on to make these 'Datsuns' were never called 'Datsun' themselves. All the cars that we tend to call 'Datsuns' these days were actually Nissan products. The Nissan name was not used initially for post-war exports as it was seen to be tainted by association with war materiel. Most of the trucks used by Japanese armed forces in the 1930s and early 1940s used the 'Nissan' name proudly on their radiator shells, and Nissan was involved in making quite a lot of other things - including the assembly of aero engines - for the Japanese war effort. The decision to use the 'Datsun' name was an effort to disassociate the 'Nissan' name from an export product. It has nothing to do with 'Nissan' sounding "too Japanese" and it has nothing to do with America specifically either; Nissan was exporting to many countries before it exported to the USA, and they tended to take a WORLD view on such matters. If you hear anything that specifically links such things to the USA, you can bet it was originally written from a somewhat narrow American viewpoint... hopefully this clears up a little of the Datsun and Nissan name....? the only UK "Datsun" that I am aware of is in the Beaulieu Museum, it's a bit of an oddball as it was assembled in Australia and exported by Austin to the UK as they thought it could have been a copy of there Austin 7... turned out it wasn't and was in fact even worse and obviously not a copy, just same kinda shape.... so Austin just kept it, then gave it to the museum when they had a clear out... |
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Post by jdm411 on Oct 4, 2014 21:54:03 GMT 1
Great bit of history there Al, thank you for posting. I had no idea that Nissan was Nissan pre Datsun days. I thought the company simply changed ownership and name. Although now you mention the wartime equipment and motors it all makes sense.
Cheers.
Don.
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Post by RatDat on Oct 23, 2014 8:54:19 GMT 1
The Datsun in Beaulieu is a Type 13 so it would have been produced when the company was "Nissan Jidosha Kaisha Ltd".
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Post by s20 on Oct 24, 2014 17:26:41 GMT 1
The Datsun in Beaulieu is a Type 13 so it would have been produced when the company was "Nissan Jidosha Kaisha Ltd". The National Motor Museum at Beaulieu say that their car is a ' 1935 Datsun Type 14 Saloon'. On the topic of Nissan Jidosha K.K. / Nissan Jidosha Kabushiki Kaisha: 'Jidosha' = Car (as in 'Motor Car'). More commonly the term 'Motor' is used in Japan. 'Kabushiki Kaisha' = Limited Company / 'Company Limited'. So, ' Nissan Jidosha K.K.' / ' Nissan Jidosha Kabushiki Kaisha' translates as ' Nissan Motor Co. Ltd.' Historically there's been a lot of inconsistency in the citing of the original company name, and in translating / transliterating from Japanese into English and other languages. Some of that was to do with the particular nature of the Japanese company type 'Kabushiki Kaisha' not matching 100% with its non-Japanese equivalents. You may see 'K.K.' quoted variously as 'Inc.', 'Stock Company', 'Limited Company' 'Co. Ltd.' or many other variants depending on where they are being used. |
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Post by RatDat on Oct 24, 2014 22:17:17 GMT 1
The National Motor Museum at Beaulieu say that their car is a ' 1935 Datsun Type 14 Saloon'. On the topic of Nissan Jidosha K.K. / Nissan Jidosha Kabushiki Kaisha: 'Jidosha' = Car (as in 'Motor Car'). More commonly the term 'Motor' is used in Japan. 'Kabushiki Kaisha' = Limited Company / 'Company Limited'. So, ' Nissan Jidosha K.K.' / ' Nissan Jidosha Kabushiki Kaisha' translates as ' Nissan Motor Co. Ltd.' Historically there's been a lot of inconsistency in the citing of the original company name, and in translating / transliterating from Japanese into English and other languages. Some of that was to do with the particular nature of the Japanese company type 'Kabushiki Kaisha' not matching 100% with its non-Japanese equivalents. You may see 'K.K.' quoted variously as 'Inc.', 'Stock Company', 'Limited Company' 'Co. Ltd.' or many other variants depending on where they are being used. Yes it is a Type 14...my error. There is a little difference between a Type 13 and a Type 14. I think that only the latter has a bonnet mascot which the former does not and also a marginally bigger engine (748cc vs 722cc). No doubt there are a miriad of other changes but it's difficult to establish the facts with the pre-war cars as you know. Interesting stuff with regard to comapny titles. I used Nissan Jidosha Kaisha Ltd as they themselves used that title on their headed letters at the time. |
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