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Post by Al Ramone on Sept 9, 2012 9:14:14 GMT 1
Now that I've got your attention... something I'd like to mention on here.
Now you hear fairly often people talking about old cars being stolen for banger racing...
We know it has happened. But I'm sure this is not limited to banger racing, how many rally cars have had "reshells"
do you think the shells original documents were checked?
Or how many have been stolen and ended up as track day cars, drift or drag racing shells? or parts ending up on any of these.
What I'm saying is, when a car goes missing, don't just jump on the banger guys.
Just because you might not like/agree how they enjoy there racing doesn't mean they're all criminals.
A bit of mutal respect for each other will do more good for everyone.
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Post by datman on Sept 9, 2012 15:57:27 GMT 1
Indeed, i know LOTS of banger racers. I have quite a bit of dealings with them. Many of them have old well cared-for / restored cars. Its just a FEW rotten ones that give the sport a bad name, problem is they are usually the kind of A-holes that the honest banger guys won't want to grass up or do anything about as they would fear for reprocussions, on the track or otherwise. If they get caught red handed with stolen cars that helps the honest guys clean up the sport.
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Post by Al Ramone on Sept 9, 2012 16:13:51 GMT 1
i think the only real way to stop any stolen cars getting raced, be it on an oval track, drift/track day or rally car.
is for the organisers of any of these events to check out the cars when they turn up.
make a note of the chassis numbers and if they've been messed about with refuse to let them race.
any chassis numbers could be checked against stolen car database.
i'm sure there would be a few problems for some of the rally cars out there thou....
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Post by datman on Sept 9, 2012 20:41:36 GMT 1
Less of a problem for a rally car as the car will generally be kept around for lots of events and be viewable by someone who suspects it is not what it is, and won't have holes smashed through it and re-bar everywhere, a banger car will quite often only last a race or two then be scrap. I expect the 180BSSS which got raced got disposed of very sharpish. I think they got away with that by the skin of their teeth and hopefully that will be the last stolen car they race.
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Post by marky on Sept 9, 2012 23:04:46 GMT 1
Can vouch for the rallying world and say it's very legit.
All events will have some form of scrutineering, and that gets pretty comprehensive at the level where people are spending the sort of money on re-shelling old cars etc.
Also the rally world, whilst obviously competitive, is very friendly and social - people take a close interest in the progress of each others' cars and always want to see any new modifications etc.
Personally I'd be surprised if any stolen cars were knowingly involved in rallying at any level.
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Post by datsfun on Sept 9, 2012 23:53:46 GMT 1
. But I'm sure this is not limited to banger racing, how many rally cars have had "reshells" do you think the shells original documents were checked? Or how many have been stolen and ended up as track day cars, drift or drag racing shells? or parts ending up on any of these. . When was the last time you saw a b210, c110, 280C, 710, 810, 910, laurel etc etc on a rally stage or on a drift event ?  Make that in the last 10 years ? Probably never, YET these models get stolen ! You see that rallying even at grassroots level is very expensive, you need minimum £10k to get car prepared and annual budget of £3k+ to do events. Those who partake have that sort of cash and hence will not be stealing £600 datsuns ! The only active Datsuns in the last 10 years on rallyscene (excluding the s30) have been 3 PA10, 2 B310's and 2 B110's. On the Drift scene, make it zero (apart from Ed who did a season in his 510). So not alot of demand for re-shells ? So this idea that stolen datsuns are feeding motorsport as re-shells is flawed IMHO.. My comments are restricted to Datsuns...whether stolens escorts/manta's feed into rallying scene I dunno? |
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Post by Al Ramone on Sept 10, 2012 7:54:51 GMT 1
Well i wasn't talking datsun specificly. I'm talking about all cars and all forms of motorsport. If you think that all the cars that turn up for drift days, or rally events are all high budget cars you are very mistaken. Most the drift cars are sub £1000 200sx's or E30 BMW's and the club rally stuff is again all sub £1000 ford KA's 106's etc I think it's not fair to say that "Also the rally world, whilst obviously competitive, is very friendly and social.." as the pits at any banger track will be just as social. cept maybe a big teams event. Obviously a Cedric or a Laurel won't be turning up at a club rally stage....  Is there any figures for how many Datsuns have been stolen in the last 5 years? |
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Post by paranoid on Sept 10, 2012 19:25:23 GMT 1
racing seems to come into alot.whatabout when export was a big deal?read somewhere that a peugeot 505 and 504 were in the top 5 cars stolen from london and surrounding areas in the late 80's.are rusty shells passed on to drivers from clubs?no.every walk of life has it scumbags.
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Post by marky on Sept 10, 2012 19:31:09 GMT 1
Can't really be arsed to get into an argument - but I am involved in rallying at several levels and you're unlikely to meet anyone in the pits that you wouldn't want to start up a conversation with, or who you'd suspect of being 'dodgy' - therefore I personally feel it's wrong to begin a (potentially unfounded) rumour that big problems exist there
Even some (not all) cheap-looking Ka's / Nova have thousands spent in performance modifications and meeting regulations.
The problems aren't limited to motorsport. The majority of dodgy motors that I have seen have either belonged to traders and dealers, or just been bought from a trader / dealer. These include altered chassis numbers, improper repairs, severe damage that's not been recorded, mileage clocking etc.
Basically you're gonna find unscrupulous people in all walks of life, not just X-or-Y variant of motorsport... some will bend the rules, others will cross the line of reasonable behaviour without even a blink... all we can do is look out for them and do our best to set them straight. Pointing fingers randomly, and making broad claims without proper research will never be positive, however being vigilant for what is 'wrong' and encouraging the 'proper thing' may eventually prove fruitful.
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Post by Al Ramone on Sept 10, 2012 20:48:38 GMT 1
Marky. i see you are passionate about your motorsport and having someone question whether all the cars are legit or not has sparked a bit of frustration/anger over that. maybe you can get a feel of how the legit banger guys feel? starting this thread was always gonna be risky as there's a lot of passion on all sides. i'll lock this as there's nothing to be gained from it. but i'll leave it with your words of wisdom  quote author marky Basically you're gonna find unscrupulous people in all walks of life, not just X-or-Y variant of motorsport... some will bend the rules, others will cross the line of reasonable behaviour without even a blink... all we can do is look out for them and do our best to set them straight. Pointing fingers randomly, and making broad claims without proper research will never be positive, however being vigilant for what is 'wrong' and encouraging the 'proper thing' may eventually prove fruitful. |
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